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Photo forum meeting/This Wednesday

danbarkin
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We're going to hold a meeting at 6 p.m. on Wednesday (Aug. 22) to discuss ways we can make it easier to post photos and discuss photography on this site. The meeting will be at our office at 215 S. McDowell Street. in Raleigh, in our marketing conference room. We'll have someone down at the front desk to make sure you get signed in at the guard station and get you to the meeting room. All users invited.  If we need a bigger room, we can find one. If you've never been to our building, we are in downtown Raleigh about a block from City Hall, and directly across from Nash Square.

Here's a Mapquest link.

 

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mntnlvr

Starter ideas for photo site improvement

I intend to attend the meeting but I'd like to throw here some ideas that can be debated then, among other ideas I hope.

1 - The priority should be to fix the broken photo posting preview as soon as possible. This drove me and other people crazy until we figured out we had to post without preview. Preview should work as well for posting a photo as it does when posting a forum comment, that is we should be able to loop on preview until we are ready for posting, then posting should work!

2 - The N & O staff should perhaps explain the possible limitations of the database or the server which sometimes seem to deliver very slowly. That may lead to one of those how-to I wish to see in the FAQ, in this case how to prepare a photo for uploading and suggesting some reasonnable limits on the pixels and file size. For instance, before the switch to share.triangle, I edited my pictures for a maximum width of 1600 pixels and maximum file size around 500 Kbytes. In the new database, I noticed some huge original sizes which may unnecessarily overload storage or bandwidth. My principle was to give an original big enough for a good print, but not too big. Of course, there may still be users who are not familiar with resizing either in the camera or with software, that's another topic for the how-to.

Generally, I would understand that the News and Observer cannot and does not wish to recreate flickr.com. I believe reasonnable users only post their best shots of local interest to this gallery, I hope to remain one of them.

3 - From the old database, I miss the display of ratings and reader hits under the thumbnails and would like to see at least the reader count. I hate to open my pictures and increase my own count just to go check what it is! See how honest I am... Thinking about it, another way to solve this problem the way flickr.com does it would be not to increase the hit count to the user own pictures when the user is logged in and clicks on his or her own pictures, that would suit me well.

4 - Once a picture is open, I wish I could navigate to the next or the previous one with some buttons. I don't see them now.

5- The FAQ could also give some guidance on searching for a picture. For instance, I noticed that I could search on a tag name and get a list of pictures. Of course, results with thumbnails would be good to have... I'd like to know what else I could search on: user names, titles, body text?

6 - Another FAQ subject should be how to post a picture in a comment. I explained one way to do it in a recent forum thread based on picking the photo URL from the photo properties. Then another user said it was possible to copy a picture to the clipboard and paste to the comment editing window. From where can the photo be copied then?

I am running out of ideas this evening, I suggest all others who plan to attend the meeting, even more if they don't plan to attend, continue this thread with more ideas by Wednesday evening. Thank You!

Java55

4 - Site Navigation

Since I have been an avid right-mouse clicker to open up threads as well as photos into new windows for viewing, I seem to have got around this problem. This might help as a stop-gap during the meantime until 'next' and 'previous' functions are added for the photos here. Hope this helps.

mntnlvr

right-clicking to navigate

I agree that right-clicking for opening a photo in a new window or, with the latest navigators, in a new tab, is an acceptable user action substitute to Previous and Next button, at least within the current page of thumbnails.

On the other hand, implementing the Previous and Next buttons could be a first step to implementing a slide show in preview size... Maybe overkill for this site but it doesn't hurt to ask!

Bernard

mntnlvr

Printer Friendly Version Not Working

The subject says it all! Not working for me this morning on a couple of displayed pictures where I clicked the "printer friendly version" link. A new page opens with a header, including some URLs, but no picture in sight.

Bernard

mntnlvr

Photography Forum Hierarchy

Another meeting has been proposed for looking at the general organization and user-friendliness of the main site, but I can already express some of my confusion, using the photography forum as an example, although it appears the other forums have the same hierarchy.

Starting on the main forum page and clicking on "forum categories", I can clearly see "photography" but then there are four sub-forums listed underneath as of today (equipment, good locations, how to, how'd you get that) which looks like topics. It takes clicking on the main "photography" link to realize there are topics directly attached to the main forum, including this meeting topic, "how to post photos", "how dry is it" and "welcome to the photography forum".

So a forum is both a main or first level forum as a category and a second level forum under a first level forum.  

Of course, as I write this, I understand the hierarchy better but I would like to see some indications on the "forum categories" page that there are topics directly attached to each of the main forums. For instance, there could be a pseudo second level forum called "general topics". Alternately, the second level forums that look like topics under the top forum could be prefixed, e.g. "forum: equipment". Otherwise, it takes opening the "expanding list" to realize there are forums and topics under the main forum.

(Update 8/22/2007) A simple way to avoid creating confusion between second level forum names and main forum topics would be not to show the second level forums in the "forum categories" page. The user would then either click on the main forum name or cllick on "extended list", in either case he or she would realize there are both topics and more forums under the main forum. (Update end)

So now, I have driven through the obstacles and will know my way next time, but some clarity could be introduced up-front for newcomers, either by labelling as I suggested or/and in one of those FAQ answers I miss.

Hopefully, I didn't confuse the reader too much here!

Bernard 

Sorry-

I've got another meeting tonight, otherwise I'd love to be there. I've expressed my desire to have more real-time posting of images in another thread. I also wonder if this "virtual" community could spill over to the "real" one, maybe in the form of group activities/photo shoots/get tips from the pros kind of stuff.

In any case, I look forward to reading about the fruits of this meeting. Thanks for arranging it.

West

mntnlvr

Do not be sorry! Meeting was on Wed., August 22, 2007

Maybe the forum topic title can be updated, or this topic can be deleted or closed...

The meeting took place and I was one of only 2 user representatives..., the other one already had an insider track at the N & O, he was the young son of Robert Miller, Director of Multimedia, present too. Also present was Dan Barkin, Deputy Managing Director, who called the meeting, and David Feld, Interactive Media Editor.

We discussed 3 current problems:

1) Photo posting from preview is broken. Users have to post without preview, or still do preview and then restart from scratch to post. 

2) Some posted photos do not appear in the gallery for the general public, but logged-in users can see them. This problem reappeared for me and others yesterday (8/28/07). Today, I made some minor editing to the text under those pictures taken at Falls Dam and the Neuse bridge and posted again. If I am lucky, they may be visible publicly tomorrow on page 2 or 3!

3) The photo printer-friendly version does not display the photo!

Then we discussed other possible improvements, without any priority:

- showing reader count and rating under the thumbnails

- navigation with Next and Previous buttons

- adding a "see all my photos" link to the user profile

- ... whatever I listed beforehand in this thread.

The N & O managers took good notes and saw the problems of the site on a projection screen, so I am confident that fixes will come and other user suggestions may be implemented, if not necessarily the ones listed here.

Bernard  

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Java55

Yes, and I missed it...

Thanks for the update! If the meeting had been held about a hour later you all would have had one more for company but alas...

mntnlvr

Correction: Dan Barkin is Deputy Managing Editor

Sorry for my original mistake, I only wanted to edit and correct his title but another site problem prevented me to do it this morning. That is the "edit" link is missing on my latest entry, but it is present on all the previous ones! I had previously seen a case in another forum when only one of my appends had the "edit" link among half a dozen appends.

I also wanted to report success today in having photos appear in the public gallery after yesterday's minor editing of the captions and new posts. I suggest all users who posted photos on Monday, August 27, 2007 check the gallery before logon and after logon because I can see some of them only after logon. If they are not displayed to the viewers at large, edit and post again!

Bernard

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