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Get over it

Richard — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:53:00 -0400

I think majority of people that are intolerant towards illegals harbor other resentments/issues (and in many cases racial hatred) that they justify under the guise that illegals break the law, nuff said. My parents were illegal Mexican immigrants in this country, and not once did they accept public welfare/support, nor were they a drain on the system. They built a life, own their home, paid taxes, i.e., contributed to the economy while knowing that they will never receive their full benefits (i.e., social security) because they paid into the system while they were illegals. Why do most people fail to note that there are many hard working illegals that contribute much more than they take from the system? Furthermore, I think the argument that they "break the law" is a bunch of hogwash. We've all broken laws before (rolling through the stop, speeding, lying, cheating, etc.), what gives you the right to persecute others for behavior that you yourself exemplify (is it simply that your limits are "different"?)? We're such hypocrites as a society and this has to change before we can start building this country back to the great nation its been in the past (and yes, even then, it was a country of immigrants - legal and illegal). Do you complain when companies pay exorbitant amounts to bring foreigners in to do high tech work, or white collar jobs (this is quite common)? But I guess by your definition this is quite legal even though it displaces higher paying jobs (one of these jobs alone pays what 10 illegals make in a year). Whats more, I'm sure you don't enjoy the fruits/vegetables that are harvested by illegals, work that you know very well would not be done legal Americans. By the way, globalization will effectively keep wages on check more than illegals bringing down the pay scale. You see, wages can't simply go up arbitrarily, this is called inflation. In order for a society to prosper there has to be real job creation, not wage inflation, so educate yourself before making ridiculous comments that have no basis. Illegals are not the drain on the system you think they are (look up the governments accounting office's (GAO) report on who are the main recipients of public welfare, heres a hint folks, #1 on the list are "whites" - this is no lie).

Illegal Immigrants.

Marv — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:56:06 -0400

Oh come on people, these illegal immigrants are people too.
I agree that we should treat them with respect and as humanely as possible while we ship them to Houston, put them on a boat and drop them in Vera Cruz. As far into Southern Mexico as possible to make it more difficult for them to return. The only assistance I want to give them is to get them back to where they came from. 2nd time offenders should face prison time.
It is not just the colleges, why do we allow these law breakers to attend our public schools?
Hospitals and doctors shoulod only give free treatment for life threatening conditions.

Semantics

Visitor — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:18 -0400

The fact that Denton and others think it is acceptable to refer to humans as "illegals" shows how intolerant our society has become.

Illegal Immigration

Lisa McIver — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:53:43 -0400

We should not condone or reward illegal immigration any more than we should condone or reward:

(1)cheating at school or in the workplace in order to get ahead.

(2)evading or cheating on income tax.

(3)shoplifting

(4)breaking and entering

(5)counterfeiting

Simply, what I think about illegal immigration is that we all should follow the rules.
My position has absolutely nothing to do with racism.
I am highly offended when suggestions are made to the contrary.
I am also offended when the suggestion is made that we are obscuring the humanity of others.
If others followed the rules this would not be an issue.

Illegal immigrants

Visitor — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:31:27 -0400

The history of this country has always accepted immigrants into the United States but there has always been a certain procedure that they had to complete. Now we have illegal immigrants pouring over our borders. The problem with this is two fold. The first is that somehow, and I have never figured out how, they use all of our benefits free that I have worked all my life and contrubuted to. When you go to any emergency room there is at least
30% immigrants waiting in the lobby to take advantage of our medical system and I am sure they don't pay for it. This is then put on the back of people who have insurance or of people who have retired and are on medicare. It increases the amouont that U.S. citizens have to pay for this service.
Secondly: Although most of them do work here, there are also those who are involved in gang related activities and drugs. They do not obey the rules of this country - including having a drivers license and car insurance as well as other safe guards that this country has for its citizens.
I have NO problem with immigrants coming in to this country as long as they follow the rules when they don't I think they should be deported even if they have family here.
Kathryn Wells

Illegal Aliens - Just the Facts (What's the Cost?)

Visitor — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:44 -0400

Don't miss part 3 below, that's a doozy....we need to close the door or at least stop the gravy train for illegals

Remember the 2006 election?

Thought you might like to read the following:
Part 1
A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money -not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18, 750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K - taxed $ 31,250

Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.

If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen.

PART 3:

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on...

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://wwwcis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as m a ny as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl..com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their c ou ntries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid?

If this doesn't bother you, then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it raises the hair on the back of your neck, I hope yo u continue to forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C

John 10:1

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:18:37 -0400

Mr. Beers...what say you?...

"Amen, amen I say to you: He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber."
(John 10:1)

Americans losing their lives due to illegal immigration

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:15:17 -0400

According to the 2006 House Committee on Homeland Security Border Report, every year an estimated 4,300 American citizens lose their lives by the actions of an illegal immigrant.

NC has one of fastest growing illegal alien populations

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:14:28 -0400

North Carolina has had one of the fastest-growing populations of illegal aliens in America. They’ve come here for two primary reasons. First, North Carolina has historically had a growing economy, so there were jobs. Second, the liberal politicians in Raleigh were very slow to address our lax laws regarding identification, so it was very easy to get a driver’s license, until recently, in North Carolina and having identification – even if received through forgery or falsification – is very important to an illegal alien.

According to 2006 estimates from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, about 400,000 illegal aliens live in North Carolina. FAIR estimates that the cost to North Carolina taxpayers for emergency health care, education and incarceration was $997 million in 2006 alone!

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens will provide them access to many more federal and state programs – greatly increasing their cost to taxpayers. Granting amnesty without securing our borders is an invitation for millions more to come to America – illegally. This is what happened in 1986 when we had an estimated 3 million illegal aliens, and now we have an estimated 12 to 20 million.

Millions spent on educating Illegals in NC

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:11:40 -0400

A February 2006 study conducted by the Kenan Institute of Private Enterprise at the University of North Carolina the state is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to educate illegal immigrants. North Carolina is now spending $210 million per year. A decade ago, it was only costing $10 million. It also shows illegal immigrants accounted for 57 percent of the state's enrollment growth between 2000 and 2005.

NC study: 1 in 5 jail inmates foreign born

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:11:04 -0400

NC study: 1 in 5 jail inmates foreign born 02/19/2008 RALEIGH --

A new study shows one in five inmates in North Carolina metropolitan jails was not born in this country. The Sheriffs's Association believes a large number of those inmates are here illegally as well...NC News 14

Illegla Alien's affect on Black Employment

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:10:20 -0400

"America's leaders need to wake up. It's a fact foreign workers are taking jobs and depressing wages of Americans from all backgrounds. However, Black workers are being disproportionately affected. Studies prove 40% of the decline in Black employment is due to immigration. And the effects will become even more pronounced for our most vulnerable workers as the economy gets worse. It's time for America's leaders, especially our Black leaders, to put the most vulnerable American workers' interests ahead of foreign workers' and the cheap labor businesses that hire them."

- Dr. Frank Morris, former Congressional Black Caucus Foundation Executive Director

NC #8 in illegals population

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:05:57 -0400

Almost half a million strong and still growing, the number of illegal immigrants in North Carolina makes the state the eighth largest in the country with the most illegal aliens.

The economic and social impact that they have on North Carolina is even more remarkable.

North Carolina has only 3 percent of the country's total illegal immigrants, but they touch every part of the state-school systems, law enforcement, social benefit programs, health care systems, job growth…

The job area that benefits most is the construction industry, employing about 40 percent of new immigrants in the country. According to a 2006 article by Raleigh's News & Observer, businesses are the biggest beneficiaries of illegal immigrants and "are the reason unauthorized foreigners are here in the first place."

ENFORCE OUR EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS…Completely, thoroughly and consistently.

Illegals shall receive nothing more than a humane ride home

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:03:30 -0400

Illegal aliens deserve nothing more from America than a humane ride back to thier home country.

Illegals killing more Americans...

zeezil — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:02:30 -0400

Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime.

Have we, as a culture, become intolerant of illegals?

vdenton58 — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:40:25 -0400

A new group, N.C. Religious Coalition for Justice for Immigrants, issued a call this week for greater tolerance of immigrants in America, legal or illegal. The group, made up of religious leaders and lay people of different denominations and faiths, cited immigration arrests that separate families and public statements denigrating immigrants as reasons for their concern. Have we, as a culture, become intolerant of illegals? We will publish two of the best responses - 200 to 250 words or less - in our Sunday Focus section this week. Join the discussion.

A new group, N.C. Religious Coalition for Justice for Immigrants, issued a call this week for greater tolerance of immigrants in America, legal or illegal.…